Rolling Stone - March 2000

The Rolling Stone Interview by Chris Mundy

part two

People think of you as a kid, but you´re twenty-five. You´re not a kid any more.

Unfortunately (laughs). Man, I´m twenty-five. In other walks of life, I´d be considered a full-grown adult. But I´m looking forward to it. I know there were times where I would have liked to speak out, but as a teenager I didn´t think I was allowed to. I just felt lucky to be involved.

Is there a theme to the characters you´ve chosen to play?

I think I´m drawn to the abstract, things that are not of the traditional mold. I can´t get myself to do the typical films you see a lot of. A lot of it has developed from my dad´s taste.

Which is what?

It comes from the undergound art world. He´s always steered me and said, "I know this seems like great art or a great writer, but there´s a whole other world that has just as much relevance and is just as socially important."

In many ways, your characters - from "This Boy´s Life" to &"The Basketball Diaries" to "Total Eclipse" to "The Beach" - have all been rebelling against sometthing that they can´t even name.

Right. They´re looking for something dangerous.

That must be a part of you.

Believe it or not, in life I play it very safe. I feel like I´m in such a lucky position. This all happened because of some profound luck that´s been bestowed upon me. So I play my life safe. But, yes, when I go to movies, that´s my release. That´s where I vent.

So you seek out characters who seek out danger? Or at least try to push the envelope of their own life to the breaking point?

I´m fascinated by that. And I think a lot of people are.

Do you take these roles hoping some of those characters´ qualities rub off on you?

That´s the good thing about playing a character. You´re able to be that person.

And what happens when the movie is over?

If you are in a position to choose these characters, it´s also in some way a reflection of you. It´s something you want in yourself. It is my creative release. People always tell me I should paint or do somethind else creative. No. This is what I do. I´m not going to do paint (laughs). I´m an actor. I´m fortunate enough to know what I love to do. I won´t be having an album coming out soon.

So what performances of yours are you most proud of?

I don´t know.

Of course you do.

They´re all my babies. (laughs) OK, I like certain scenes. I like the scene I did in The Basketball Diaries by the door. I love that scene, just because of what it took to get there. It was the first week, and I´m alone in New York for the first time, walking the streets. And that scene wasn´t even scripted. It was a great moment.

Are you tastes changing as you get older?

Yeah, it´s kind of weird. You don´t have to be so hard-core. It´s not that you soften, it´s just that you´re not so damn concerned with being cool. You realize that sometimes trying to be so cool can be really boring.

It´s limited, because it´s usually someone else´s version of cool.

Exactly. I was the most hard-core dude in the world, but it got to the point of, "How many times are you going to do the same thing? You´ve gotta do something different..." For me, choosing Romeo and Juliet was a big thing, because it was a love story. I thought I never wanted to do a love story in my life. Lovey-dovey crap.

Claire Danes said that you´re either completely transparent or the most complexe person she´s ever met, and she can´t figure out which. Do you have an idea what she means?

I think she´s essentally saying that we didn´t get to know each other that well (laughs). No, what am I going to say? That I´m complexe? I think it´s hard for people who see you running around like a kid with your friends to know where your performances come from. I´m just able to walk away from the characters I play. I just walk away. It´s as simple as that. That´s just how I do it. I don´t know how else to explain it.

Did you start acting because you were dying to perform or because you knew your family could use the money?

The earliest memory I have of myself as a child is me with this strange, almost sickening desire to perform. I guess it´s my aiming-to-please issues. I don´t know where it comes from. But the earliest memory I have is me at some hippie concert with my dad, and the band hadn´t come on. There was an audience of hundreds of people chanting for the band, and my dad scooted me on stage. - I don´t know how old I was, probably three or so - and I got up there and tap-danced for hundreds of people. That´s the personality I have. I want to please this mass audience.

Yet you had more of an arty, hippie upbringing.

I didn´t grow up in the back of a VW van or anything, but for the most part I´ve had sort of a bohemian upbringing. I was just thinking the other day about when I was a kid. One of the coolest meories: The whole lake at Echo Park was drained for a while, and all these homeless people and neighborhood people went through, waist-high in the mud, trying to find remnants of things that people from the last eighty or a hundred years had thrown into the lake. My family went, and I was neck-high in mud. I found an old gun and a wallet and, like, fourty bottles from the Twenties and Thirties. It was like a treisure hunt.

It also sounds like you had a revolving group of characters in and out of your house.

Oh, yeah, absolutely. We´d had artists come in from parties. There´d be Robert Williams and R. Crumb and Harvey Pekar. My dad was always showing me their art after I´d met them. Instead of concentrating on baseball cards or even Marvel comics, my dad was saying, "check out the (Fabulous Furry) Freak Brothers."

Was it a conscious decision by your dad to teach you that?

It´s just the way he chose to live his life. Most of my life, on weekend I´d go from bookstore to bookstore with my dad. And I went to a lot of hippie parades.

What do they do in a hippie parade?

Have you heard of the Do-Da Parade? It´s this group of guys, the Mud Men, and these performance artists. We´d go to performances where they were, like, giant flaming cocks that shoot at the audience and walking private parts. They were not afraid to show me anything. I joined the Mud Men with my dad. These guys smeared their bodies with mud and put rags over their genitals and made these mud masks and ran around.

Really? My dad played tennis.

(Laughs) I remember being a kid and being smeared in mud, and I started walking around on my own, and I hid behind a hotdog stand. A woman went to get a hot dog, and I popped up as this aboriginal mud creature. She lost her shit. My dad had to rescue me. Stuff like that was awesome. It was dope.

Was your stepbrother basically a brother to you?

Absolutely. I´ve known him my entire life. I was kind of a loner as a kid, I didn´t have that much of a neighborhood, or neighborhood kids. If I wanted to play with a friend, my mom would have to drive me an hour to Santa Monica to play with my friend from school. That was the dope thing about my mum. Even though we were kinda poor, she gave me a really enriched life. She took me to this great school that´s part of UCLA, even though it was an hour out of her way every day. She´s from Germany, and she took me to Germany every now and then. My Grandma lives there. I went to Germany, like, ten times.

How dangerous was the neighnorhood you grew up in?

I don´t want to do the whole stupid rags-to-riches-story deal, but for the first ten years, my playground was like a junkyard with crack addicts around the corner. I´d walk down the street and there´d be a guy opening his coat with, like, needles and heroin. And the corner was a whorehouse. And there was a lot of violence around, too. Nothing ever happened to me. And it´s good that I got to see that. And at the same time, she took me away every day to go to school with, well, essentially a bunch of rich kids (laughs).

Did your parents move when you started making TV money?

No, they didn´t use any of my money, ever.

How often do you talk to your parents now?

Every day. Both of them. They´re both great people. I just like to have them in my life. It´s not like I´m doing it out of obligation because they´re my parents.

It seems like what they made for you was a life where you could create your own fun.

Absolutely. The weirdest thing is that none of us are used to having money at all. I don´t think we´re spending it on the most practical things. I suppose art is practical, but that´s what I spend my money on.

And you bought three houses.

Yep. I´ve gotta give my parents a place to live, after all. But I´m not going to be getting a yacht anytime soon.

Any purchase you´ve felt guilty about?

Not really. There was some art I bought that I was tricked into liking. Some of that contemperary New York crap (laughs) - you know, a painting that´s a white canvas with two lines, and it´s supposed to be a man´s descent into different dimensions. So now I just collect what I want. But I don´t splurge, no.

What´s your fascination at the moment?

It has been art for the last year or so. And I tried to collect a lot of the stuff I didn´t have as a kid. I went through a period of buying every comic and toy that I ever wanted. That was a short period. But a fun one.

What kind of stuff did you get?

Everything I wanted when I was a kid. It was the whole PeterPan syndrome (laughs).

Have you learned what you know about the world through acting?

Absolutely. I was born in Los Angeles. This is my home. I pride myself, just for myself, on knowing that I´m not the stereotype of what an actor in my position would be. I try to enrich my life with a lot of other interesting stuff. But I cannot deny that I am from Los Angeles and I was born in Hollywood. Hollywood - it´s not even like the outskirts.

Are you someone with a lot of regrets?

You have regrets, and then you learn from them. I regret certain things that I did or didn´t do professionally, and certain decisions I made in my personal life.

Like what?

In a way, I wish I hadn´t said, "Screw this, I´m not going to conform and become a hermit. I´m going to go out there and do whatever the hell I want to do, whenever the hell I want." I still have that attitude, but it´s more tapered down. I wish I hadn´t had that rebellious feeling I immediately had when all that stuff was going on, because then I wouldn´t have fueled that fire. That´s a regret. I could have played it a little cooler. But the ironic thing is that I wasn´t doing anything wrong.

Having been through all this, with the famous trying to meet you, are there still people you´d like to meet?

There are a lot of people I´d love to have met. I´d love to have met Basquiat; that would have been dope. In terms of people now, oh, God, who haven´t I met? I´d love to met Marlon Brando.

Young actors always say Brando.

He was, dare I say, the best.

But you said the other day you were more of a James Dean fan than a Brando fan.

Well, he´s gone, isn´t he?

Whose work do you admire today?

I think Jim Carrey´s a genius. If he died today, h´d be regarded like Peter Sellers squared. And De Niro. He´s probably the most influential.

If you´re in the position of power now, what kind of career do you want to shape?

I absolutely believe that something beneath the surface in the film has been bubbling, and it has to do with a lot of people´s complaints about too much business being mixed with art. I look at all the Schwarzenegger and Stallone epics that were out when I was a kid - not that some of them weren´t great - but that was all there was. Everyone always talks about the Seventies, but I think we´re entering an even more interesting time in film. There´s been so much crap out there that people are relying on word of mouth. I used to think that famous people were so full of crap. You´d read articles about them, and I´d never believe anything they said. I always thought there were such huge publicity machines around them and that they must be so trained to deal with questions.

A lot of them were full of crap.

The good thing is that no matter what they say, you can get an overall sense of wether or not they have a good soul.

Yet if an actor can´t act charming during an interview, he´s probably not very good.

That´s true. You have to take this all with a grain of salt.. To look on the bright side of it, fame is a great source of a lot of entertaining things to happen in my life. It makes life not boring, which is cool. A lot of interesting stuff happens to me as a result of fame.

What are the three biggest perks?

The biggest perks has to be the opportunities in the work I do. That´s Number One. It´s pretty much the only thing, but if I´m going to add two, I´d say the things that are offered to you other than film. You´re given a lot of opportunities. It´s kind of ironic that someone who has everything they want keeps being given more. It´s crazy. And Third? That kind of covered everything (laughs).

What you´re saying is, you´re rich and famous, and it doesn´t suck.

(Laughs) Basically.

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